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Perpetual trusts destroy cryonics financially. On a macroscale, bad perfusion has made current cryonics impossible to trust and on a microscale, the avoidance of a cryoconnectome proof destroys cryonics technically. Those elements, on top of Alcor's reneg on grandfathering, churning, labelling members underfunded, rising dues and Falloons call for still more insurance for reanimation, considered a separate function now from preservation make cryonics now seem impossible even to long time advocates like me. To bypass these cryonics show-stoppers, we should seriously reconsider the case for chemical preservation as suggested by Ken Hayworth who is at Howard Hughes Medical Institute.


Perpetual trusts were outlawed for centuries because they were considered dead hands that hampered living society. Now, wealth preservation conferences in cryonics promote something even worse... self-aimed perpetual trusts for the wealthy cryonicist which will result in dead frozen hands that currently hamper and will suffocate reality based cryonics.
-------WEALTH PRESERVATION TRUSTS SIGNAL THE END OF CRYONICS -- ONLY A CRYONICS INSURANCE FUND WILL SIGNAL ITS RESUMPTION.]-----------The Failure of Cryonics Finance-------Alcor set up for the rich?-----Problem is bigger than Alcor--------Comprehensive Cryonics Insurance & Credit Corporation-------------Google blogsearch on "cryonics"----------I quit.------------My Conversion to CI-----Bostrom-Sandberg-Vincent on Perp Trusts PDF must read-----A Negative Seung Test would end cryonics.-------[Cryoconnectome proof tracking]------Cryoconnectomics needs to be proven as the industry's next step]
Cryonics is currently on self-destruct like the Enterprise in an episode of Star Trek.. a magnificent concept is going down.. as a result of self directed perp trusts being made worse with robo trusts and Faloon's call for yet more life insurance to be bought by wealthless ordinary cryonicists for reanimation... instead of calling for redirecting bequests of wealthy cryos to a Cryonics Insurance Fund. I'm horrified by this turn of events since about 2006 in cryonics... as horrified and saddened as the original crew of the Enterprise watching their ship streak through the sky, burning up as she goes down. Despite the financial crash of cryonics, there is still a hard core group of perp trusters but if the Seung Test proves negative, even they will find cryonics impossible to carry forward. The Seung Test is the new gold touchstone test or acid test for cryonics-- and it hasn't been done yet. Do the wealthy cryonicists fear what they may find-- connectome destruction in cryovitrified brain slice? [Destruction of Star Trek Enterprise 1 min video]
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KEN HAYWORTH INTERVIEW with NIKOLA DANALYOV is required viewing for EVERYONE in cryonics today if you haven't already seen it... it's 1 hr. and gives us a NEW way to think about chem pres... as br has argued --
Brian Wowk and Greg Fahy are working the 21CM Lab late at night attempting to qualify for BPF Prize--
but they keep getting ...the CRYONICS MASH!
Perpetual trusts destroy cryonics financially. On a macroscale, bad perfusion has made current cryonics impossible to trust and on a microscale, the avoidance of a cryoconnectome proof destroys cryonics technically. Those elements, on top of Alcor's reneg on grandfathering, churning, labelling members underfunded, rising dues and Falloons call for still more insurance for reanimation, considered a separate function now from preservation make cryonics now seem impossible even to long time advocates like me. To bypass these cryonics show-stoppers, we should seriously reconsider the case for chemical preservation as suggested by Ken Hayworth who is at Howard Hughes Medical Institute.
Perpetual trusts were outlawed for centuries because they were considered dead hands that hampered living society. Now, wealth preservation conferences in cryonics promote something even worse... self-aimed perpetual trusts for the wealthy cryonicist which will result in dead frozen hands that currently hamper and will suffocate reality based cryonics.
-------WEALTH PRESERVATION TRUSTS SIGNAL THE END OF CRYONICS -- ONLY A CRYONICS INSURANCE FUND WILL SIGNAL ITS RESUMPTION.]-----------The Failure of Cryonics Finance-------Alcor set up for the rich?-----Problem is bigger than Alcor--------Comprehensive Cryonics Insurance & Credit Corporation-------------Google blogsearch on "cryonics"----------I quit.------------My Conversion to CI-----Bostrom-Sandberg-Vincent on Perp Trusts PDF must read-----A Negative Seung Test would end cryonics.-------[Cryoconnectome proof tracking]------Cryoconnectomics needs to be proven as the industry's next step]
Cryonics is currently on self-destruct like the Enterprise in an episode of Star Trek.. a magnificent concept is going down.. as a result of self directed perp trusts being made worse with robo trusts and Faloon's call for yet more life insurance to be bought by wealthless ordinary cryonicists for reanimation... instead of calling for redirecting bequests of wealthy cryos to a Cryonics Insurance Fund. I'm horrified by this turn of events since about 2006 in cryonics... as horrified and saddened as the original crew of the Enterprise watching their ship streak through the sky, burning up as she goes down. Despite the financial crash of cryonics, there is still a hard core group of perp trusters but if the Seung Test proves negative, even they will find cryonics impossible to carry forward. The Seung Test is the new gold touchstone test or acid test for cryonics-- and it hasn't been done yet. Do the wealthy cryonicists fear what they may find-- connectome destruction in cryovitrified brain slice? [Destruction of Star Trek Enterprise 1 min video]
KEN HAYWORTH INTERVIEW with NIKOLA DANALYOV is required viewing for EVERYONE in cryonics today if you haven't already seen it... it's 1 hr. and gives us a NEW way to think about chem pres... as br has argued --
Brian Wowk and Greg Fahy are working the 21CM Lab late at night attempting to qualify for BPF Prize--
but they keep getting ...the CRYONICS MASH!
Alphabetical Sentence Index
- 000 Alcor program. (1)
- 9/11 in Phoenix on 12/25/12 (1)
- Ali - frozen (1)
- Ali - frozen 2 (1)
- Ali - frozen 3 (1)
- Attendance - number of hits on PALM cryonics forum. (1)
- Billion dollar foundation - how? (1)
- Blogsearch on cryonics (1)
- Board - no emails on Alcor site (1)
- Bryan H. - taking it with you (1)
- Charles Platt - funding minimums articles (1)
- Charles Platt's articles - rejected by Alcor editors... why? (1)
- Cher (1)
- Churning - method to fund wealthy cryos by less wealthy cryos (1)
- CI + SA Fee - no accounting for inflation and higher tech (1)
- CI in AZ - a new paradigm? (1)
- Cold Filter Forum - avoidance of new #1 issue of funding (1)
- Covid frozen vaccine (1)
- Dave Pizer sees Alcor problem. (1)
- Don Laughlin - estate 1 (1)
- down payment - life insurance as.... on cryopreservation (1)
- Econometric model of Alcor finance (1)
- Endowment Dec. 2010 - locks up millions from bequest with 2% payout (1)
- Eric Klein - drew attention to funding gap in early 1990s (1)
- Ettinger - out of the loop? (1)
- Facts of Life - Dick Jones' estate and other estates bequested to Alcor (1)
- Financial and economic world collapse - effect on cryonics (1)
- Freitas' econometric model of Alcor finanance (1)
- FUNDING - double funding every 20 years (1)
- Funding Gap - ...the primary issue now over and above technology (1)
- Futures contracts - in cryonics analagous to pork belly futures contracts. (1)
- Grandfathered local members - status (2)
- Hugh Hefner (1)
- Inflation / higher cost high tech vs. economies of scale (1)
- Intermediate Temperature Storage - available to select few (1)
- Introduction (1)
- ITS - 3 x more costly (1)
- Jennifer's original Alcor blogpost renegging grandfathering (1)
- last minute cases - as a model for PALM (1)
- Later years - not the same as earlier years (1)
- Matt Sullivan - funding plans and ideas. (1)
- Max More - business consultant genius brought in to solve Alcor funding gap? (1)
- Max More - quit (1)
- Membership - not necessary (1)
- Membership cancellation notice - modified (1)
- Membership cancellations considered. (1)
- Membership Director Cremeens - emails to... (1)
- Membership dues - going up and up and up (1)
- Mike Darwin - 3 part history (1)
- Mind is already immortal via quantum deep reality. (1)
- Minimums - funding... (1)
- Muhammed Ali (1)
- New $50 (1)
- Optimize - cryonics arrangements (1)
- P.A.L.M. Cryonics - unilateral back up plan (1)
- P.A.L.M. Cryonics - Pre Arranged Last Minute cryonics arrangements (1)
- PALM Cryonics Trust - a new cryonics finance model. (1)
- Perpetual trusts - killing cryonics by starving Alcor now in favor of individual speculative reanimation? (1)
- Pool funded equitable cryoncis - through a cryonics church (1)
- PRE ARRANGED LAST MINUTE CRYONICS - ...is now my first choice. (1)
- Quantum reality - mind is already immortal (1)
- questions - invited (1)
- Reincarnation (1)
- Religion - cryonics as... (1)
- Rick Potvin (3)
- Rick's Situation - a sad tale of insurance folly (1)
- Rudi Hoffman - alternative plans (1)
- Sequence reader. (1)
- Silver - funding my preservation with silver 100 oz bars. (1)
- Standby fee $10/mo and Chapman's blogpost (1)
- status report - my membership status (1)
- Steve Vachani - underinsured at age 22 (1)
- Storage containers - Maxim's view (1)
- Suicide for cryonics (1)
- Suspended Animation Inc - May 20 2011 conference will pitch to Alcor members to convert (1)
- Transferrability - of PALM cryonics plan across orgs (1)
- Unperson's situation (1)
- Updates in diary format. (1)
- vaccines - covid minus 90 (1)
- will or trust - name Alcor as beneficiary for pre-arranged last minute non member cryonics (1)